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Counter Arguments for Purgatory

Here are a few things that stand out that particularly undermine the argument against the passage applying to purgatory.

Some of this article is based on a key false premise about the Catholic view: in purgatory, the person is burning, not their work.

This isn't in the catechism (CCC) quote ... because it's not the catholic teaching!

It's only in the author’s bullet point- re-read the ccc quote and the 2 bullets after it.

Purification - burns away the impurities, leaving the 'good', as gold is purified in fire

you don't burn up the gold!

It would be silly. What’s left to go to heaven?

Note much of the article falls apart then. Because it is about the work for purgatory.

Additionally: about the Ministry-only argument: sometimes the bad minister is kinda destroyed, too, not just his work.

Foundation vs. the work. Paul said he a laid foundation of Christ. But he built nothing on it? He certainly did if the 'ministry only' argument is true. This undermines that argument.

The Ministry-only argument ignores the 'multivalency' of the bible. Many passages are about multiple things. This could be one. Simply showing that a passage is about one thing doesn't mean it’s not about other things, making this a non-argument. It might not be about the other things, in truth, but this argument is meaningless to that point. The analogy of people building personally on the foundation works, too. (note: Multivalency (many ways, many meanings) isn't a strange bible-only thing. Poetry is like that too).

'Fire' means destruction, not Fire. Again, per previous point, it can mean those other things, but it can also mean literally fire (although the CCC quote doesn’t specifically mention fire, the Cor. quote works lockstep with ‘purgatory style purification’ either way)

Note about the AI summary following: it talks about Judgement Day as a future only thing. "Judgement day" or "He's coming back" means multiple things:

events that happened in the past, for example, destruction of the temple (judgement), the resurrection (he came back, and, yes scripture definitely says after this as well).

Ongoing events. When you die, it's judgement day for you. He also comes back for you at that time!

Future events - eschatology, the end of the world. Trumpet blares and fire from the sky and stuff, that happens for everybody.

In this context. For both 'ministers take care' and 'purgatory' interpretations - it's talking about (2), ongoing events, not 3. Why? (1) and (3) don't make sense. (there's hell to pay TODAY for church leader misconduct [unfortunately the faithful are usually the ones hurt. But its all in this era]) The author even admits this doesn't make sense for (3) "How does this work? I'm not sure ..." If he had caught that it applies to the Now (2), it would make sense.

Paul is certainly complaining about the problems in Corinth. But they were in scripture because they apply to all, like everything else, especially in the letters. The actual events of the early church are gone, judged, and done; their stories are there because the early (Catholic) church decided that the Holy Spirit would speak through those letters forever, and does. And those complaints certainly apply to ministers today, however, this is no reason you couldn’t make the argument they apply to every one of us and our daily worship of the Lord (which is on the foundation which is Christ) - or that that argument isn’t even stronger than an admonishment of ministers.

I could nitpick more.

For example the comment on vs. 14 (‘It's the good quality work of a minister that gets rewarded.’): a lot of times, the good ministers are just martyred.

And vs. 15 (‘But the builder will be saved…’) Pretty sure a few of those pedophile priests were NOT saved :-/ even though their bad works would be burned, too. (but who am I to judge?).

However, I’ll leave you with this …

AI summary from Copilot:

Please provide a counter refutation of this web page, from a catholic sympathetic viewpoint, thanks.

Certainly! Here is a counter refutation of the web page from a Catholic sympathetic viewpoint:

Refutation of the Argument Against Purgatory in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15

Contextual Misinterpretation:

The author argues that Paul is only addressing ministry leaders in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. However, Catholic interpretation sees this passage as applicable to all Christians, emphasizing the purification process that every believer undergoes. The Catholic Church teaches that all who die in God's grace but are not yet perfectly purified will undergo purification, which aligns with the broader context of Christian life and sanctification.

Nature of Fire:

The author claims that the fire mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:13 is not purifying the individual but rather testing the quality of their work. Catholic doctrine, however, interprets this fire as both a test and a means of purification. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 1030) describes Purgatory as a state where souls undergo purification to achieve the holiness necessary to enter heaven. This purification process can be seen as analogous to the fire testing and refining the quality of one's life and deeds.

Judgment Day Timing:

The author suggests that the fire of 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 occurs only on Judgment Day, whereas Purgatory is often thought to occur immediately after death. Catholic teaching does not strictly define the timing of Purgatory, allowing for the possibility that purification could occur at the final judgment. The key point is the necessity of purification before entering heaven, which can be harmonized with the concept of a final purification at Judgment Day. See handwritten

Purification of Work vs. Individual:

The author differentiates between the purification of work and the individual, stating that 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 deals with the former. Catholic interpretation sees the purification of one's work as inherently linked to the purification of the individual. The quality of one's deeds reflects their spiritual state, and thus, the purification of deeds is part of the individual's sanctification process.

Historical and Theological Consistency:

The Catholic Church's understanding of Purgatory is rooted in a long tradition of theological reflection and scriptural interpretation. Early Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine and St. Gregory the Great, spoke of a purifying fire after death. This historical context supports the Catholic interpretation of passages like 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 as describing a purification process that aligns with the doctrine of Purgatory.

Conclusion

While the author's interpretation of 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 presents a non-Catholic viewpoint, the Catholic Church offers a broader and historically grounded understanding of this passage. The purification process described in Catholic doctrine is seen as essential for achieving the holiness required to enter heaven, and 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 can be interpreted as supporting this belief.

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